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	<title>Comments on: Dating Week: Keeping it in Perspective, Courtesy Constance McMillen</title>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 01:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading smmarkfan&#039;s comment, I don&#039;t give a durn if a queer lifestyle is embraced. I certainly don&#039;t embrace the homophobic comments he just made. 

But I tolerate them. Because this country allows you the right to remain uneducated. I don&#039;t embrace this lifestyle, but I tolerate. I expect the same when I kiss a girl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading smmarkfan&#8217;s comment, I don&#8217;t give a durn if a queer lifestyle is embraced. I certainly don&#8217;t embrace the homophobic comments he just made. </p>
<p>But I tolerate them. Because this country allows you the right to remain uneducated. I don&#8217;t embrace this lifestyle, but I tolerate. I expect the same when I kiss a girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I saw Constance on Ellen last week, and it depressed me how little support she has received from her classmates ...&quot;

Interesting. After Ms. McMillen was discriminated against by her school board&#039;s homophobic prom policy and restrictive dress code,
did she approach the student council for help? Did she contact the students on the prom committee for help? Did she contact ANY of her fellow students - or simply launched a legal/media campaign while treating her peers as cardboard cut-outs? It must have been disconcerting, (to say the least!), to have one&#039;s senior prom become the subject of national talk shows, et.al., have cameras shoved into your face while going to school and then have to live in a polarized community and decide between a) a discriminatory prom or b) a media circus prom, or c) don&#039;t go to either. IMHO, Ms. McMillen is more concerned about herself than her classmates! 

When you expect people to support you, insisting for them to choose sides ex post facto is at least insensitive, and at worst cynical and manipulative. If faced with the same choice, and the same chronological sequence of events, I&#039;d probably take my prom money, donate it to a worthy charity and tell both sides to shove off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I saw Constance on Ellen last week, and it depressed me how little support she has received from her classmates &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. After Ms. McMillen was discriminated against by her school board&#8217;s homophobic prom policy and restrictive dress code,<br />
did she approach the student council for help? Did she contact the students on the prom committee for help? Did she contact ANY of her fellow students &#8211; or simply launched a legal/media campaign while treating her peers as cardboard cut-outs? It must have been disconcerting, (to say the least!), to have one&#8217;s senior prom become the subject of national talk shows, et.al., have cameras shoved into your face while going to school and then have to live in a polarized community and decide between a) a discriminatory prom or b) a media circus prom, or c) don&#8217;t go to either. IMHO, Ms. McMillen is more concerned about herself than her classmates! </p>
<p>When you expect people to support you, insisting for them to choose sides ex post facto is at least insensitive, and at worst cynical and manipulative. If faced with the same choice, and the same chronological sequence of events, I&#8217;d probably take my prom money, donate it to a worthy charity and tell both sides to shove off.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby Post</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libby Post]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin--
Thanks for your kind words and thanks to the majority of your commenters for their support.
--Libby Post]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin&#8211;<br />
Thanks for your kind words and thanks to the majority of your commenters for their support.<br />
&#8211;Libby Post</p>
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		<title>By: Ada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for taking a stand for equality. I especially liked this part:

&quot;It’s so easy to look back and be appalled at the blatant racism that our ancestors either had to deal with or doled out. It’s a lot harder, though, to do so ourselves in our modern context. It’s easy to express outrage from a distance or through the veil of a hundred years; but a lot harder to take a stand on such matters...&quot;

Too true! Too true! So sad that so many people don&#039;t realize THIS is the rights struggle of our generation, and though they may look back in disgust at the racism of the past, their stance on THIS issue reveals where they would have stood, had they lived back then, had they been in the majority. Truly sad.

The part I didn&#039;t understand was this:
&quot;I won’t pretend to know the gay experience, and I won’t feign being an activist. There are far too many brave and dedicated people doing great things for me to be that brazenly insincere.&quot;

Come on, go ahead and be brazen. Speak up. Let&#039;s hear it. We need ALL the straight allies we can get and ya&#039;ll are being MUCH too quiet! Waaay too quiet. Where are you all? Part of the successful strategy of our opponents is framing this as an issue for gays only, depicting gays as a vocal and radical minority. Straight allies speaking up loudly, brazenly, openly for our full equality will break this stupid framing of the issue. So speak the hell up. When good people sit back and do nothing and so on... Anyway, Thank you for your comments and thank you for starting by doing something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for taking a stand for equality. I especially liked this part:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s so easy to look back and be appalled at the blatant racism that our ancestors either had to deal with or doled out. It’s a lot harder, though, to do so ourselves in our modern context. It’s easy to express outrage from a distance or through the veil of a hundred years; but a lot harder to take a stand on such matters&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Too true! Too true! So sad that so many people don&#8217;t realize THIS is the rights struggle of our generation, and though they may look back in disgust at the racism of the past, their stance on THIS issue reveals where they would have stood, had they lived back then, had they been in the majority. Truly sad.</p>
<p>The part I didn&#8217;t understand was this:<br />
&#8220;I won’t pretend to know the gay experience, and I won’t feign being an activist. There are far too many brave and dedicated people doing great things for me to be that brazenly insincere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on, go ahead and be brazen. Speak up. Let&#8217;s hear it. We need ALL the straight allies we can get and ya&#8217;ll are being MUCH too quiet! Waaay too quiet. Where are you all? Part of the successful strategy of our opponents is framing this as an issue for gays only, depicting gays as a vocal and radical minority. Straight allies speaking up loudly, brazenly, openly for our full equality will break this stupid framing of the issue. So speak the hell up. When good people sit back and do nothing and so on&#8230; Anyway, Thank you for your comments and thank you for starting by doing something.</p>
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		<title>By: ema</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ema]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smmarkfan, a history lesson is in order. Do you realize that the arguments you use above to discriminate against same-sex couples are the very same ones that bigots used (and still use) to discriminate against women people of color? 

According to the race-based bigots, separating the whites and blacks (and brows/yellows/reds) was the natural order of things. It was &quot;race appropriate&quot;, God&#039;s law, and the law of the land - until we came to our collective senses and ended legal protection for this idiocy. 

Do you understand that those who fought school integration in the 1960&#039;s used the same language that you use now to justify your apparent hatred towards the GLBT community?  By making posts like yours above, you are proclaiming yourself to be nothing less than a bigot, the same as all the other cowards who came before you.  It&#039;s just that the target of your hatred has shifted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smmarkfan, a history lesson is in order. Do you realize that the arguments you use above to discriminate against same-sex couples are the very same ones that bigots used (and still use) to discriminate against women people of color? </p>
<p>According to the race-based bigots, separating the whites and blacks (and brows/yellows/reds) was the natural order of things. It was &#8220;race appropriate&#8221;, God&#8217;s law, and the law of the land &#8211; until we came to our collective senses and ended legal protection for this idiocy. </p>
<p>Do you understand that those who fought school integration in the 1960&#8217;s used the same language that you use now to justify your apparent hatred towards the GLBT community?  By making posts like yours above, you are proclaiming yourself to be nothing less than a bigot, the same as all the other cowards who came before you.  It&#8217;s just that the target of your hatred has shifted.</p>
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		<title>By: disgusted</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[disgusted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights.&quot;

There is a special place in hell for this brand of ignorance. Grow up, wake up and do a little research into what &quot;human rights&quot; actually entail. Globally and intrinsically. You might be surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a special place in hell for this brand of ignorance. Grow up, wake up and do a little research into what &#8220;human rights&#8221; actually entail. Globally and intrinsically. You might be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Property qualifications, pre-election registration, residency requirements, and literacy tests for voters following the Civil War ostensibly applied to all people too. But they were undeniably designed to discriminate against black people. There&#039;s your comparison. The truth is that while society has actually evolved to the point where a greater degree of racial and cultural sensitivity exists, prejudice and discrimination haven&#039;t evolved along with it. For the most part, it&#039;s the same old outdated arguments in defense of it...and yet bigots are still completely baffled whenever they&#039;re called on their BS. What was subtle discrimination in the 1800&#039;s ain&#039;t exactly subtle now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property qualifications, pre-election registration, residency requirements, and literacy tests for voters following the Civil War ostensibly applied to all people too. But they were undeniably designed to discriminate against black people. There&#8217;s your comparison. The truth is that while society has actually evolved to the point where a greater degree of racial and cultural sensitivity exists, prejudice and discrimination haven&#8217;t evolved along with it. For the most part, it&#8217;s the same old outdated arguments in defense of it&#8230;and yet bigots are still completely baffled whenever they&#8217;re called on their BS. What was subtle discrimination in the 1800&#8217;s ain&#8217;t exactly subtle now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are few greater concerns for our public schools than the rights of students to go knowing that they are free from hate, prejudice, and discrimination.

As for the crux of your argument: &quot;Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights. ... The rule is gender-appropriate dress, no same-sex dates. This rule applies equally to all students, not just a certain group.&quot;

Firstly, there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;special rights.&quot; Rights are inherent. What you might mean to say is that they want priveleges, except the manner in which you constructed your argument says otherwise.

What I&#039;m reading from your reply is that because the rule only discriminates against homosexual lifestyles, it&#039;s not denying them the same rights afforded heterosexuals. Yet, the limitations placed on dress and more importantly prom dates is discriminatory against homosexuals. That&#039;s like saying segregation wasn&#039;t discriminatory because it applied to all races. Or that any provision saying only people with white skin can old land isn&#039;t discriminatory, because it&#039;s a policy that applies to everyone.

If you don&#039;t think homosexuals are deserving of equal rights or you think homosexuality is wrong, just say so. Don&#039;t church it up with jargon and language that&#039;s so convoluted it contradicts itself, and if you&#039;re going to agree with a discriminatory practice, at the very least you should own up to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are few greater concerns for our public schools than the rights of students to go knowing that they are free from hate, prejudice, and discrimination.</p>
<p>As for the crux of your argument: &#8220;Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights. &#8230; The rule is gender-appropriate dress, no same-sex dates. This rule applies equally to all students, not just a certain group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Firstly, there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;special rights.&#8221; Rights are inherent. What you might mean to say is that they want priveleges, except the manner in which you constructed your argument says otherwise.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m reading from your reply is that because the rule only discriminates against homosexual lifestyles, it&#8217;s not denying them the same rights afforded heterosexuals. Yet, the limitations placed on dress and more importantly prom dates is discriminatory against homosexuals. That&#8217;s like saying segregation wasn&#8217;t discriminatory because it applied to all races. Or that any provision saying only people with white skin can old land isn&#8217;t discriminatory, because it&#8217;s a policy that applies to everyone.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t think homosexuals are deserving of equal rights or you think homosexuality is wrong, just say so. Don&#8217;t church it up with jargon and language that&#8217;s so convoluted it contradicts itself, and if you&#8217;re going to agree with a discriminatory practice, at the very least you should own up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: smmarkfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smmarkfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You cannot compare the gay struggle to the black struggle in America. You just can&#039;t, there is no comparison.
Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights.
The Itawamba County School District was forced into this decision as the only option available to them to maintain order and decorum in school sponsored events. The rule is gender-appropriate dress, no same-sex dates. This rule applies equally to all students, not just a certain group. And it&#039;s a good rule, too. It reflects a society based on natural law, the ultimate law of the land.
It is wrong and inappropriate to attempt to bring this particular fight to our public schools. They have enough to worry about already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot compare the gay struggle to the black struggle in America. You just can&#8217;t, there is no comparison.<br />
Blacks protested and marched to attain the SAME rights as their white brethren. Gays are protesting for SPECIAL rights.<br />
The Itawamba County School District was forced into this decision as the only option available to them to maintain order and decorum in school sponsored events. The rule is gender-appropriate dress, no same-sex dates. This rule applies equally to all students, not just a certain group. And it&#8217;s a good rule, too. It reflects a society based on natural law, the ultimate law of the land.<br />
It is wrong and inappropriate to attempt to bring this particular fight to our public schools. They have enough to worry about already.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The worst was when the ultra-conservatives in Oklahoma opted out of new legislation against hate crimes, saying that it limited free speech. At this point, they&#039;ve just become the straight Ku Klux Klan. I can see no difference between them and the hooded jackasses who complain when people rain on their prejudice parades. Here&#039;s the news article. Oh, and apparently these crusaders for God have stopped comparing homosexuals to pedophiles and have moved on to associating them with necrophiliacs. Gee, I wonder what brought this on.

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&amp;sc=&amp;sc2=&amp;sc3=&amp;id=103411]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst was when the ultra-conservatives in Oklahoma opted out of new legislation against hate crimes, saying that it limited free speech. At this point, they&#8217;ve just become the straight Ku Klux Klan. I can see no difference between them and the hooded jackasses who complain when people rain on their prejudice parades. Here&#8217;s the news article. Oh, and apparently these crusaders for God have stopped comparing homosexuals to pedophiles and have moved on to associating them with necrophiliacs. Gee, I wonder what brought this on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&#038;sc=&#038;sc2=&#038;sc3=&#038;id=103411" rel="nofollow">http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&#038;sc=&#038;sc2=&#038;sc3=&#038;id=103411</a></p>
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