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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/06/28/soccer-still-not-embraced/#comment-1924</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Factors to consider:

1. The Latino population of the United States is rising. Unlike most Americans who are largely indifferent to soccer, there&#039;s an existing love of the game in the Latino community and they are bringing that love with them. Currently, there&#039;s more interest in the Mexican league than MLS, but the foundation is there for future growth.

2. The comparison of the World Cup to the Olympics falls flat in one major way: World Cup ratings are consistently rising every 4 years.  Interest in the Olympics is always pretty high, but its relative strength ebbs and flows. Ratings for the World Cup were up 41% from 2006 which was held in a similar time zone.  Watch for ratings in Brazil to skyrocket further, as games will actually be closer to prime time.

Of course if the U.S. reaches the final of a major sport like hockey it&#039;s going to get huge ratings!  If the U.S. had made the World Cup final I&#039;m telling you the ratings would have dwarfed that though. 

3. MLS is expanding.  New franchises like Toronto, Seattle and Philadelphia are seeing great attendance.  Owners are ponying up $40 million for the right to enter the league.  I don&#039;t see the MLS as a &quot;fools errand.&quot;  I agree with one point - the need for a link to connect youth soccer to professional soccer.  That&#039;s exactly what the MLS is doing with it&#039;s academy system.  Look up Generation Adidas.

4.  One good idea would be to move college soccer from being a fall sport to the spring.  This would mean it wouldn&#039;t have to compete with college football. With the proliferation of college sports channels (ESPNU, CSTV, the Big Ten Network, etc) there are plenty of outlets that could promote college soccer if only it wasn&#039;t competing with the most popular sports.  In the spring it would have an easier time of capturing attention and market share.

5. Still, the college system is very flawed and probably isn&#039;t what the United States should encourage if it wants soccer to catch on.  Rather than challenging and developing talent, quality players find themselves surrounded by inferior talent and are limited by NCAA rules on practice time.  Since most soccer players peak in their mid 20s, having players in college until 22 really stunts talent growth in the U.S.  If the U.S. is going to become a soccer power, the academy system is what will take it there, not college soccer.

6. Soccer&#039;s popularity is high, not just the World Cup.  Look at attendance when Premier League teams come to the United States.  In the comments you point to &#039;only&#039; 1.6 million people watching the Champions League final.  I think that&#039;s pretty good for its time slot and the CL&#039;s low media coverage here.

7. To sum up by paraphrasing from the comments: soccer&#039;s popularity in the U.S. will come from evolution, not revolution.  MLS will slowly expand, slowly rise in attendance, slowly rise in quality of play, slowly gain respect from soccer fans of the Mexican league and the EPL who currently dismiss it, and slowly become generally profitable.  Do I think soccer will become the #1 sport in America? No, but it doesn&#039;t have to be.  Our population is massive and growing.  The rise of the internet and cable TV will allow &quot;niche&quot; markets like soccer to be successful.  Unlike NASL with it&#039;s out of control spending, MLS is being prudent, content to grow slowly.  But they will grow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factors to consider:</p>
<p>1. The Latino population of the United States is rising. Unlike most Americans who are largely indifferent to soccer, there&#8217;s an existing love of the game in the Latino community and they are bringing that love with them. Currently, there&#8217;s more interest in the Mexican league than MLS, but the foundation is there for future growth.</p>
<p>2. The comparison of the World Cup to the Olympics falls flat in one major way: World Cup ratings are consistently rising every 4 years.  Interest in the Olympics is always pretty high, but its relative strength ebbs and flows. Ratings for the World Cup were up 41% from 2006 which was held in a similar time zone.  Watch for ratings in Brazil to skyrocket further, as games will actually be closer to prime time.</p>
<p>Of course if the U.S. reaches the final of a major sport like hockey it&#8217;s going to get huge ratings!  If the U.S. had made the World Cup final I&#8217;m telling you the ratings would have dwarfed that though. </p>
<p>3. MLS is expanding.  New franchises like Toronto, Seattle and Philadelphia are seeing great attendance.  Owners are ponying up $40 million for the right to enter the league.  I don&#8217;t see the MLS as a &#8220;fools errand.&#8221;  I agree with one point &#8211; the need for a link to connect youth soccer to professional soccer.  That&#8217;s exactly what the MLS is doing with it&#8217;s academy system.  Look up Generation Adidas.</p>
<p>4.  One good idea would be to move college soccer from being a fall sport to the spring.  This would mean it wouldn&#8217;t have to compete with college football. With the proliferation of college sports channels (ESPNU, CSTV, the Big Ten Network, etc) there are plenty of outlets that could promote college soccer if only it wasn&#8217;t competing with the most popular sports.  In the spring it would have an easier time of capturing attention and market share.</p>
<p>5. Still, the college system is very flawed and probably isn&#8217;t what the United States should encourage if it wants soccer to catch on.  Rather than challenging and developing talent, quality players find themselves surrounded by inferior talent and are limited by NCAA rules on practice time.  Since most soccer players peak in their mid 20s, having players in college until 22 really stunts talent growth in the U.S.  If the U.S. is going to become a soccer power, the academy system is what will take it there, not college soccer.</p>
<p>6. Soccer&#8217;s popularity is high, not just the World Cup.  Look at attendance when Premier League teams come to the United States.  In the comments you point to &#8216;only&#8217; 1.6 million people watching the Champions League final.  I think that&#8217;s pretty good for its time slot and the CL&#8217;s low media coverage here.</p>
<p>7. To sum up by paraphrasing from the comments: soccer&#8217;s popularity in the U.S. will come from evolution, not revolution.  MLS will slowly expand, slowly rise in attendance, slowly rise in quality of play, slowly gain respect from soccer fans of the Mexican league and the EPL who currently dismiss it, and slowly become generally profitable.  Do I think soccer will become the #1 sport in America? No, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be.  Our population is massive and growing.  The rise of the internet and cable TV will allow &#8220;niche&#8221; markets like soccer to be successful.  Unlike NASL with it&#8217;s out of control spending, MLS is being prudent, content to grow slowly.  But they will grow.</p>
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		<title>By: britt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i just have to say tht i think one of the reasons that soccer hasnt become popular in the u.s do to some racist issues; for example my next door neighboor (white) was playing basketball wit some friends and one of the boys kicks the ball and he says dont come over here with tht &quot;mexican soccer sh**&quot; like if only mexicans played soccer pure ignorance if soccer was compose in europe but anyways soccer is a great game every time it comes to my city houston the tickets sale out and the stadiums fill up maybe is because we have a high population of latinos in my community but either way i attend to....last think the mexican vs argentina games in this 2010 world cup had the highest viewers ever in latin t.v i think it was 9.3 million people watchin the game i was one of them wit my family its a classic even to white folks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just have to say tht i think one of the reasons that soccer hasnt become popular in the u.s do to some racist issues; for example my next door neighboor (white) was playing basketball wit some friends and one of the boys kicks the ball and he says dont come over here with tht &#8220;mexican soccer sh**&#8221; like if only mexicans played soccer pure ignorance if soccer was compose in europe but anyways soccer is a great game every time it comes to my city houston the tickets sale out and the stadiums fill up maybe is because we have a high population of latinos in my community but either way i attend to&#8230;.last think the mexican vs argentina games in this 2010 world cup had the highest viewers ever in latin t.v i think it was 9.3 million people watchin the game i was one of them wit my family its a classic even to white folks</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For spectators, soccer is a growing niche sport. Will it ever be bigger than the big four in this country? I don&#039;t think anyone is making that claim. What&#039;s apparent, however, is that a majority of the the younger generation (&lt;30) have learned to appreciate the sport at it highest level. Media coverage of international soccer is growing on ESPN and Fox, MLS is building new stadiums and expanding into smart, tactical markets (as opposed to NHL strategy). Growth of the sport is steady, and all we need is a genuine homegrown star to move things along a bit quicker. Based on the number of players in youth soccer, the advancement of the academy systems for the MLS teams, and the growing interest from European teams in our talent, I see no reason why this won&#039;t happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For spectators, soccer is a growing niche sport. Will it ever be bigger than the big four in this country? I don&#8217;t think anyone is making that claim. What&#8217;s apparent, however, is that a majority of the the younger generation (&lt;30) have learned to appreciate the sport at it highest level. Media coverage of international soccer is growing on ESPN and Fox, MLS is building new stadiums and expanding into smart, tactical markets (as opposed to NHL strategy). Growth of the sport is steady, and all we need is a genuine homegrown star to move things along a bit quicker. Based on the number of players in youth soccer, the advancement of the academy systems for the MLS teams, and the growing interest from European teams in our talent, I see no reason why this won&#039;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gern</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Soccer has not and will not gain acceptance for the same reason hockey has not: low (or no) scores.  A soccer game can go on for 120 minutes and end in a 0-0 tie.  That&#039;s when Americans sit back and realize they just spent two hours watching people run back and forth for no reason whatsoever, and they get upset.  We root for winners, or we root for underdogs, but we can&#039;t do anything with a tie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soccer has not and will not gain acceptance for the same reason hockey has not: low (or no) scores.  A soccer game can go on for 120 minutes and end in a 0-0 tie.  That&#8217;s when Americans sit back and realize they just spent two hours watching people run back and forth for no reason whatsoever, and they get upset.  We root for winners, or we root for underdogs, but we can&#8217;t do anything with a tie.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and re: the 1.6 million for the Champions League Final on Fox. 1.6 million isn&#039;t bad for soccer, but it&#039;s not enough to get braggy in relation to other sports. It equates to a 1.0 share and is only a small fraction of the ratings for the NBA Finals, which have been dismal themselves in recent years. Even Fox had been publicly hoping (and selling advertisers) on a 2.0 to 2.5 rating in light of it as a &quot;preview&quot; for the World Cup.

Again, not the worst rating it could have gotten. But it&#039;s still in the context (and proximity) of the Cup and still fell below expectations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and re: the 1.6 million for the Champions League Final on Fox. 1.6 million isn&#8217;t bad for soccer, but it&#8217;s not enough to get braggy in relation to other sports. It equates to a 1.0 share and is only a small fraction of the ratings for the NBA Finals, which have been dismal themselves in recent years. Even Fox had been publicly hoping (and selling advertisers) on a 2.0 to 2.5 rating in light of it as a &#8220;preview&#8221; for the World Cup.</p>
<p>Again, not the worst rating it could have gotten. But it&#8217;s still in the context (and proximity) of the Cup and still fell below expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Chuck&lt;/strong&gt;: I understand where you&#039;re coming from, but the crux of your argument is an overestimation of the popularity of the sport. It&#039;s certainly not &quot;immensely popular&quot; at any level, especially not college. I empathize with the passion you have for your sport and the eagerness you have to defend and advocate for it. Thing is, it&#039;s not an attack on soccer so much as a statement of our current climate in regard to the sport. And advocacy has to start with an acknowledgement of present conditions. No change ever comes from denying the present state of affairs.

As for us in relation to the rest of the world: there&#039;s a reason our diplomacy is equated to &quot;cowboys&quot; and we&#039;re labeled as stubborn and bossy. Things like our geography and history, and the socio-political attitude they produced, do make us a bit different from other countries. Globally, we&#039;re the ones to set and buck trends, not follow them. See also: our electoral process, style of legislative government, health care, and so on and so forth.

Not saying it&#039;s good or bad, just the way it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Chuck</strong>: I understand where you&#8217;re coming from, but the crux of your argument is an overestimation of the popularity of the sport. It&#8217;s certainly not &#8220;immensely popular&#8221; at any level, especially not college. I empathize with the passion you have for your sport and the eagerness you have to defend and advocate for it. Thing is, it&#8217;s not an attack on soccer so much as a statement of our current climate in regard to the sport. And advocacy has to start with an acknowledgement of present conditions. No change ever comes from denying the present state of affairs.</p>
<p>As for us in relation to the rest of the world: there&#8217;s a reason our diplomacy is equated to &#8220;cowboys&#8221; and we&#8217;re labeled as stubborn and bossy. Things like our geography and history, and the socio-political attitude they produced, do make us a bit different from other countries. Globally, we&#8217;re the ones to set and buck trends, not follow them. See also: our electoral process, style of legislative government, health care, and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>Not saying it&#8217;s good or bad, just the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Adam. Media has everything to do with it. It&#039;s called Marketing and Promotion. Your Arena football example was an example of a purely bad idea. No one, any where is interested in it. Like a bad sitcom it got cancelled. Most of the rest of the world loves soccer and we&#039;re just different?

I don&#039;t think so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Adam. Media has everything to do with it. It&#8217;s called Marketing and Promotion. Your Arena football example was an example of a purely bad idea. No one, any where is interested in it. Like a bad sitcom it got cancelled. Most of the rest of the world loves soccer and we&#8217;re just different?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ChuckD, the media has nothing to do with it. ESPN has been promoting Euro League soccer for the past few years now and has been televising it a lot. In the past the WNBA and Arena Football were heavily promoted, as was hockey up until about a decade or so ago. 
The bottom line is peolpe just don&#039;t watch. And if you don&#039;t get ratings, you don&#039;t get the media&#039;s support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChuckD, the media has nothing to do with it. ESPN has been promoting Euro League soccer for the past few years now and has been televising it a lot. In the past the WNBA and Arena Football were heavily promoted, as was hockey up until about a decade or so ago.<br />
The bottom line is peolpe just don&#8217;t watch. And if you don&#8217;t get ratings, you don&#8217;t get the media&#8217;s support.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think America will ever be a &quot;soccer nation&quot;, but the sport *is* growing here.  Just look at the expanding coverage and ratings of the English Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, and UEFA Champions League matches on ESPN, Fox Soccer, and even the main broadcast Fox network, which drew 1.6 million viewers on a spring Saturday afternoon for a match between clubs from Italy and Germany.  Four years ago, that would have been inconceivable.  

Now of course, not everybody who tuned in for the World Cup will become a soccer diehard, just as most who tune in for the Super Bowl don&#039;t care about the NFL the other 364 days of the year.  But some will.  And unlike the 70s and 80s, they can follow the true major soccer leagues, get invested in a club (preferably Everton), and it all builds from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think America will ever be a &#8220;soccer nation&#8221;, but the sport *is* growing here.  Just look at the expanding coverage and ratings of the English Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, and UEFA Champions League matches on ESPN, Fox Soccer, and even the main broadcast Fox network, which drew 1.6 million viewers on a spring Saturday afternoon for a match between clubs from Italy and Germany.  Four years ago, that would have been inconceivable.  </p>
<p>Now of course, not everybody who tuned in for the World Cup will become a soccer diehard, just as most who tune in for the Super Bowl don&#8217;t care about the NFL the other 364 days of the year.  But some will.  And unlike the 70s and 80s, they can follow the true major soccer leagues, get invested in a club (preferably Everton), and it all builds from there.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the reason it hasn&#039;t taken off can be seen in the lack of  integration of baseball outside our own Major Leagues. Our mainstream media can heavily influence what&#039;s &quot;popular&quot; and American anything sells, especially if you can sell commercial time. They appear to have a very limited view of the world which is reflected in what they report we &quot;want&quot; to see.

How else to explain the disconnect between the immense popularity of soccer in the primary, secondary and college school levels and the nearly complete absence of it in our media? A significant portion of our population enjoys it, but that&#039;s not what a bunch of old white men want believe.

C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason it hasn&#8217;t taken off can be seen in the lack of  integration of baseball outside our own Major Leagues. Our mainstream media can heavily influence what&#8217;s &#8220;popular&#8221; and American anything sells, especially if you can sell commercial time. They appear to have a very limited view of the world which is reflected in what they report we &#8220;want&#8221; to see.</p>
<p>How else to explain the disconnect between the immense popularity of soccer in the primary, secondary and college school levels and the nearly complete absence of it in our media? A significant portion of our population enjoys it, but that&#8217;s not what a bunch of old white men want believe.</p>
<p>C.</p>
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