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	<title>Comments on: Federal Judge: Cheerleading is Not a Sport</title>
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		<title>By: Cheer Crazy</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheer Crazy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, Cheerleading has always been a sport in my book. I am a former cheerleader and I am a cheer coach now. If we spent as much time and money on our cheerleadng program than our terrible football teams out here we might actually get somewhere in life. This title was so offensive to me. I feel like for a judge to say cheerleading is not a sport than they have not been to a practice nor competiton. By the way, I bet anybody didn&#039;t know that the judge over this case didn&#039; make the cheerleading squad at her high school......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Cheerleading has always been a sport in my book. I am a former cheerleader and I am a cheer coach now. If we spent as much time and money on our cheerleadng program than our terrible football teams out here we might actually get somewhere in life. This title was so offensive to me. I feel like for a judge to say cheerleading is not a sport than they have not been to a practice nor competiton. By the way, I bet anybody didn&#8217;t know that the judge over this case didn&#8217; make the cheerleading squad at her high school&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late to the party here, but Quinnipiac has never had a football team. They&#039;re more of a basketball and hockey school... and yes, they sponsor women&#039;s ice hockey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party here, but Quinnipiac has never had a football team. They&#8217;re more of a basketball and hockey school&#8230; and yes, they sponsor women&#8217;s ice hockey.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna H</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and spend as much on cheerleading as they do football, damn it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and spend as much on cheerleading as they do football, damn it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna H</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seperate cheerleading from other sports games and make it a sport then talk.  I took offense at first at your title because it seems to me a lot of athletic skill is needed for cheering.

But upon reading the post, I&#039;m glad the judge decided the way they did.  In this instance anyway, the school was apparently only calling it a sport as an end-run around Title IX.  Glad the judge didn&#039;t let them pull that happy crappy.  If they&#039;re going to use cheerleading for a sport, separate it out from cheering the male football team on and make it a separate competitive sport like figure skating has become.  

As far as men&#039;s sports having to be cut to meet Title IX, cry me a river.  I&#039;m sorry but am I supposed to give a damn about that when Title IX exists because women have been side-lined all along?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seperate cheerleading from other sports games and make it a sport then talk.  I took offense at first at your title because it seems to me a lot of athletic skill is needed for cheering.</p>
<p>But upon reading the post, I&#8217;m glad the judge decided the way they did.  In this instance anyway, the school was apparently only calling it a sport as an end-run around Title IX.  Glad the judge didn&#8217;t let them pull that happy crappy.  If they&#8217;re going to use cheerleading for a sport, separate it out from cheering the male football team on and make it a separate competitive sport like figure skating has become.  </p>
<p>As far as men&#8217;s sports having to be cut to meet Title IX, cry me a river.  I&#8217;m sorry but am I supposed to give a damn about that when Title IX exists because women have been side-lined all along?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sarah,

Thanks for your feedback! A lot of good information in your reply.

I was being a bit facetious in the post title. As I noted in the blog post, the judge wasn&#039;t saying it&#039;s not a sport so much as it&#039;s not a valid sport in relation to the NCAA and its Title IX requirements because of the lack of an organizational structure.

It can and should fulfill the requirements you laid out. Here&#039;s the tricky thing though - those requirements already pre-suppose that it&#039;s a sport, and the judge was ruling on whether or not it even qualifies as a sport to begin with. That&#039;s where Title IX is vague: it doesn&#039;t qualify what IS a sport, just how a sport can count.

Like I said before: I think cheerleading can be a sport. It certainly is in your case, but it&#039;s not necessarily in the case of Quinnipiac and the college level.

My take is that there are two kinds of sports:
1. &lt;strong&gt;Inherently Competitive Sports&lt;/strong&gt; Athletic competitions that automatically pit one person or team against another and therefore can&#039;t exist without competition.
2. &lt;strong&gt;Institutionally Competitive Sports&lt;/strong&gt; These are athletic endeavors/exhibitions - like cheerleading - that become competitive only when something is organized to create the competition.

Both are equally valid as sport; just the second one requires that extra step of organization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah,</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback! A lot of good information in your reply.</p>
<p>I was being a bit facetious in the post title. As I noted in the blog post, the judge wasn&#8217;t saying it&#8217;s not a sport so much as it&#8217;s not a valid sport in relation to the NCAA and its Title IX requirements because of the lack of an organizational structure.</p>
<p>It can and should fulfill the requirements you laid out. Here&#8217;s the tricky thing though &#8211; those requirements already pre-suppose that it&#8217;s a sport, and the judge was ruling on whether or not it even qualifies as a sport to begin with. That&#8217;s where Title IX is vague: it doesn&#8217;t qualify what IS a sport, just how a sport can count.</p>
<p>Like I said before: I think cheerleading can be a sport. It certainly is in your case, but it&#8217;s not necessarily in the case of Quinnipiac and the college level.</p>
<p>My take is that there are two kinds of sports:<br />
1. <strong>Inherently Competitive Sports</strong> Athletic competitions that automatically pit one person or team against another and therefore can&#8217;t exist without competition.<br />
2. <strong>Institutionally Competitive Sports</strong> These are athletic endeavors/exhibitions &#8211; like cheerleading &#8211; that become competitive only when something is organized to create the competition.</p>
<p>Both are equally valid as sport; just the second one requires that extra step of organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Beth</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Beth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was really mad about this when my mom brought it to my attention. I don&#039;t think that a judge should state that something isn&#039;t a sport based on organization. or what he thinks is unorganized. I know i may just be a kid but still. I have been cheering since i was 11 i happen to be 17 now. I will say that being a cheerleader I consider standing on the sidelines cheering for players that 95% of the time don&#039;t like us being there to be a sport, or require the tiniest bit of athleticism. but I do know that since i was in 7th grade i have been in the ER at least once or twice a year because of cheerleading alone. Doing round-off back-handspring step-out, round off back handspring full. is not something a mediocre person can achieve. I would know. Now the title IX says this for Sports qualifications:
   (1) Whether the selection of sports and levels of competition effectively accommodate the interests and abilities of members of both sexes (2) The provision of equipment and supplies; (3) Scheduling of games and practice time; (4) Travel and per diem allowance; (5) Opportunity to receive coaching and academic tutoring on mathematics only; (6) Assignment and compensation of coaches and tutors; (7) Provision of locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (8) Provision of medical and training facilities and services; (9) Provision of housing and dining facilities and services; (10) Publicity. Unequal aggregate expenditures for members of each sex or unequal expenditures for male and female teams if a recipient operates or sponsors separate teams will not constitute noncompliance with this section, but the Assistant Secretary [of Education for Civil Rights] may consider the failure to provide necessary funds for teams for one sex in assessing equality of opportunity for members of each sex.

oh well as for my high school, we have an authorized practice space. our season for competition starts the first week of may and ends in november. We have Co-Ed cheerleading and have won State 3 or 4 times as a Co-ed team. we have practice monday-thursday, and cheer at football games on fridays then go to competitions on saturdays starting in september. Our Coaches get paid for their time, i do agree that the amount of hours they put in doesn&#039;t equal, the amount they get paid.  but still all that alone covers over half that law. 

I think that one judge should not be able to silence a debate that has been going on for +30 years, If it was like 5 i think i would shut up and say these comments to myself but its not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really mad about this when my mom brought it to my attention. I don&#8217;t think that a judge should state that something isn&#8217;t a sport based on organization. or what he thinks is unorganized. I know i may just be a kid but still. I have been cheering since i was 11 i happen to be 17 now. I will say that being a cheerleader I consider standing on the sidelines cheering for players that 95% of the time don&#8217;t like us being there to be a sport, or require the tiniest bit of athleticism. but I do know that since i was in 7th grade i have been in the ER at least once or twice a year because of cheerleading alone. Doing round-off back-handspring step-out, round off back handspring full. is not something a mediocre person can achieve. I would know. Now the title IX says this for Sports qualifications:<br />
   (1) Whether the selection of sports and levels of competition effectively accommodate the interests and abilities of members of both sexes (2) The provision of equipment and supplies; (3) Scheduling of games and practice time; (4) Travel and per diem allowance; (5) Opportunity to receive coaching and academic tutoring on mathematics only; (6) Assignment and compensation of coaches and tutors; (7) Provision of locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (8) Provision of medical and training facilities and services; (9) Provision of housing and dining facilities and services; (10) Publicity. Unequal aggregate expenditures for members of each sex or unequal expenditures for male and female teams if a recipient operates or sponsors separate teams will not constitute noncompliance with this section, but the Assistant Secretary [of Education for Civil Rights] may consider the failure to provide necessary funds for teams for one sex in assessing equality of opportunity for members of each sex.</p>
<p>oh well as for my high school, we have an authorized practice space. our season for competition starts the first week of may and ends in november. We have Co-Ed cheerleading and have won State 3 or 4 times as a Co-ed team. we have practice monday-thursday, and cheer at football games on fridays then go to competitions on saturdays starting in september. Our Coaches get paid for their time, i do agree that the amount of hours they put in doesn&#8217;t equal, the amount they get paid.  but still all that alone covers over half that law. </p>
<p>I think that one judge should not be able to silence a debate that has been going on for +30 years, If it was like 5 i think i would shut up and say these comments to myself but its not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.

Friday Night Cheerleader Locker Room Fights, coming to the Armory this Fall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Friday Night Cheerleader Locker Room Fights, coming to the Armory this Fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Em]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But beating up cheerleaders in the locker room is still a sport, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But beating up cheerleaders in the locker room is still a sport, right?</p>
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		<title>By: phoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phoneguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t pay much attention to the cheerleaders at a high school or college sporting event and I don&#039;t mean that to be disrespectful in any way. But, I will say, at the high school my daughters attend the same awards are given to the cheerleaders as they are to the other participants on the school teams (ie. MVP, most improved athlete). It&#039;s nice that they recognize these kids because they definitely put a good deal of time into their sport. I have no idea if this is done at other local high schools. I&#039;m sure it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t pay much attention to the cheerleaders at a high school or college sporting event and I don&#8217;t mean that to be disrespectful in any way. But, I will say, at the high school my daughters attend the same awards are given to the cheerleaders as they are to the other participants on the school teams (ie. MVP, most improved athlete). It&#8217;s nice that they recognize these kids because they definitely put a good deal of time into their sport. I have no idea if this is done at other local high schools. I&#8217;m sure it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2010/07/21/federal-judge-cheerleading-is-not-a-sport/#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t count cheer and dance squads as &quot;sport&quot; until you start giving NCAA recognition to interpretive costumed mascot performances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t count cheer and dance squads as &#8220;sport&#8221; until you start giving NCAA recognition to interpretive costumed mascot performances.</p>
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