Comments on: The New York Senate has passed marriage equality

By: JayK

JayK — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:12:42 +0000

“Ans ultimately bi-sexual people eventually pick one gender to be with long term, so people can change their sexual orientation.”

This one made me laugh. So if you’re attracted to both sexes but fall in love with one, and commit to that person, the attraction to the other sex is now permanently gone. Okay then.

I know bisexuals in this situation. They’re still attracted to the sex opposite their partner. They resolve this by 1) swinging (which straight people do too) 2) open relationships or 3) COMMITTING TO SOMEONE THE SAME AS ANYONE WHO’S ONLY ATTRACTED TO ONE SEX. Everyone who commits will be tempted. The commitment is defined by not acting on it. If you’re trying to attack the validity of same-sex marriage, why not at least try some logic?

By: Tim in Waterford

Tim in Waterford — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:24:43 +0000

Oops, I missed Ed’s comment (and Kevin’s follow-up). Looks like we’re on the same wavelength here.

By: Tim in Waterford

Tim in Waterford — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:23:17 +0000

@Makavelli: “[…] why can’t brothers and sisters or 1st cousins […] get married as long as both of them are of age and consented.”

Actually, first cousins can get married, either absolutely or under certain conditions, in 25 states plus DC (including NY).

Source: http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=states

By: Kevin Marshall

Kevin Marshall — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:58:59 +0000

If you don’t want to click on Ed’s link, here’s what he linked to:

By: Ed L.

Ed L. — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:08:20 +0000

For whatever it's worth, you *can* marry your 1st cousin in New York State. It will make everyone else uncomfortable at the Makavelli family reunions, and your kids would have a somewhat higher risk of birth defects, but it's totally legal in New York and most other states. The More You Know!

By: Kevin Marshall

Kevin Marshall — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:04:59 +0000

Makavelli – Sexual Orientation and incestual relations are two entirely different things. It’s not being addressed because you’re making a false comparison. It also pre-supposes that the only argument being presented for marriage equality is a singular one existing in a vacuum: that both parties are consenting adults. That’s not true at all.

By: Makavelli

Makavelli — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:52:12 +0000

then what about bisexual people, are they “born” attracted to both sexes. Ans ultimately bi-sexual people eventually pick one gender to be with long term, so people can change their sexual orientation.
Finally, as i said before, with same sex marriage passing why can’t brothers and sisters or 1st cousins, or even parent and child get married as long as both of them are of age and consented.

By: JayK

JayK — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:26:58 +0000

Makavelli, the gay rights movement is very comparable to the civil rights movement, and all other rights movements. (Also, I’ve seen the argument made that while blacks in this country suffered for hundreds of years, gays everywhere have suffered for thousands.)

All civil rights movements exist to counteract institutional discrimination based on immutable characteristics. When deciding on the level of protection warranted, the test is the “immutability” of a certain characteristic. Technically, whether you are born a certain way is irrelevant. Two good examples of this are religion and veteran status, both of which are protected classes. Both are originally chosen (or can be chosen, in the case of religion), yet is is deemed inappropriate for someone to demand you change. And, in the case of veteran status, it is not possible to change this.

As such, it does not matter whether you are born gay or not; it has been established that a person cannot reasonably be expected to change their sexual orientation. “Ex-gay ministries”, for example, exist solely for this purpose, yet those who complete these programs usually absorb a tremendous amount of psychological damage in the process, and often wind up “coming out” all over again years later. So, if changing causes such damage, the trait is simply immutable.

That said, there is a wealth of evidence that sexual orientation is innate. Logic is on our side as well. Think about it: could you, if you chose, not just have sex with someone of the same sex, but truly enjoy it? Furthermore, could you choose to fall in love with a member of the same sex?

By: Makavelli

Makavelli — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:59:03 +0000

well hopefully one of the liberal gay marriage advocates can clarify this for me. There are arguments by the anti-gay marriage faction that this will enable people to now practice polygamy and in some crazy arguments they say people will marry their pets! But, realistically couldn’t someone have the ground to marry their brother or sister or other direct relative due to the fact as the gay supporters say, we’re two consenting adults over the age of 18. Based of this vote any couple that is in “love” should be allowed to marry as long as they’re consenting adults of age, this will open up a Pandora’s box that we are not prepared for. Secondly, gay marriage is nothing like the civil rights movement of the 1960’s so please stop comparing it! That movement was predicated on the blatant racism toward blacks, Jim crow laws of the south and before that slavery! Gays have had injustices done to them, im not denying that, but I have not seen indisputable evidence that you’re born gay. You’re born black or hispanic, or asian.

By: jakester

jakester — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:28:59 +0000

Jeff, Bat Boy, weekly world news? So, are you saying you think gays shouldn’t be able to fly?

I would have to wonder why any Jewish person would ever want to fly in a Saudi Jet?

You don’t care about the actual subject matter, Jews being discrimated against, you care about the fact it was no the Tea Party Blog, you’ve got to be kidding?