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	<title>Comments on: Times Union&#8217;s Bills fans/Gish controversy reveals problems deeper than nasty online comments</title>
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		<title>By: Ez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This guy also opened up his hate mail for the world to see this week. However, it&#039;s a much better read and much better handled than the TU. 
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=TMR110929]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy also opened up his hate mail for the world to see this week. However, it&#8217;s a much better read and much better handled than the TU.<br />
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=TMR110929" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=TMR110929</a></p>
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		<title>By: Friday Wrap-Up: Too-Sexy Superheroes, D&#38;D meets Google+, Paranormal Activity 3, and more&#8230; &#124; mindpollution.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Friday Wrap-Up: Too-Sexy Superheroes, D&#38;D meets Google+, Paranormal Activity 3, and more&#8230; &#124; mindpollution.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If you&#8217;re interested in media philosophy, my friend Kevin Marshall (no relation) has an interesting analysis of a recent controversy that erupted in the Capital Region regarding a Times Union writer&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] If you&#8217;re interested in media philosophy, my friend Kevin Marshall (no relation) has an interesting analysis of a recent controversy that erupted in the Capital Region regarding a Times Union writer&#8217;s [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: J Eric Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/blog/2011/09/30/times-unions-bills-fansgish-controversy-reveals-problems-deeper-than-nasty-online-comments/#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Eric Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, uh . . . . what??? I&#039;m sorry, I got distracted by the over-the-fold articles about the kitten in the oxygen tent, the two-faced cat, and the post-op parakeet . . . . 

What were we talking about? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, uh . . . . what??? I&#8217;m sorry, I got distracted by the over-the-fold articles about the kitten in the oxygen tent, the two-faced cat, and the post-op parakeet . . . . </p>
<p>What were we talking about? </p>
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		<title>By: Rob Madeo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Madeo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve gotta love how they squeezed another day of action out her lame column -- and in the process turned her into some sort of journalism folk hero.

The original piece was carefully crafted to get a rise out of Bills fans -- and then they hand-selected the worst of the worst reactions to keep things going. It was all very artfully done, but at it&#039;s core, completely fake and phony.

Having said that, allow me to share a a limerick left in the comments on my blog post by someone who identifies herself as Poetess:

There once was a woman named Gish;
Reporting the sports was her wish.
She ran down the Bills
Now she’s up to her gills
With comments that stink like a fish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve gotta love how they squeezed another day of action out her lame column &#8212; and in the process turned her into some sort of journalism folk hero.</p>
<p>The original piece was carefully crafted to get a rise out of Bills fans &#8212; and then they hand-selected the worst of the worst reactions to keep things going. It was all very artfully done, but at it&#8217;s core, completely fake and phony.</p>
<p>Having said that, allow me to share a a limerick left in the comments on my blog post by someone who identifies herself as Poetess:</p>
<p>There once was a woman named Gish;<br />
Reporting the sports was her wish.<br />
She ran down the Bills<br />
Now she’s up to her gills<br />
With comments that stink like a fish.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Were you SEEN sending misogynistic tirades to our staff members on ther internet?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Were you SEEN sending misogynistic tirades to our staff members on ther internet?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know you brushed on it, but it bears mentioning that the Times Union milked everything they could out of this Times Union centered and Times Union created storyline. I was more embarassed for them posting a picture of Bills fans with bags on their heads for the main page picture for most of yesterday afternoon / evening. Is that imagery with links to the comments and reactions allowed so that cooler heads will prevail? Or is it a way to keep flanning the flames and increasing the page clicks? (no need to answer) 
I read through the emails - even though I knew what they said based on comments - and it appears that many of them are written by the same person based on style, language and points made. Even if they were signed by different names, a little IP look-up would probably verify this. I think this is important because if there are only 5-6 actual nasty emailers, the Times Union is really making themselves look ridiculous. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you brushed on it, but it bears mentioning that the Times Union milked everything they could out of this Times Union centered and Times Union created storyline. I was more embarassed for them posting a picture of Bills fans with bags on their heads for the main page picture for most of yesterday afternoon / evening. Is that imagery with links to the comments and reactions allowed so that cooler heads will prevail? Or is it a way to keep flanning the flames and increasing the page clicks? (no need to answer)<br />
I read through the emails &#8211; even though I knew what they said based on comments &#8211; and it appears that many of them are written by the same person based on style, language and points made. Even if they were signed by different names, a little IP look-up would probably verify this. I think this is important because if there are only 5-6 actual nasty emailers, the Times Union is really making themselves look ridiculous. </p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on, Kevin. I&#039;m upset that those comments were made to Gish as well, not only because they&#039;re completely unacceptable, but because that has now become the issue. It&#039;s eclipsing the fact that McKim was lied to about how his interview was going to be used, and it&#039;s eclipsed the fact that the official TU response to a request from readers to cover the Bills a bit more was to kick them in the gut.

It&#039;s interesting is that the Times Union has yet to publish a single reaction to that piece that was civil and thought out, particularly McKim&#039;s letter to Gish and the editors over there since he was a subject in the article (and felt particularly wronged). This became glaring when Gish&#039;s column published the lewd and crass comments yesterday, over a week later, with still no sign of publication for McKim in sight. Any questions posed yesterday on twitter as to why a &quot;well mannered&quot; response hasn&#039;t been published were only met with dismissive, and some rude, comments from people at the TU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, Kevin. I&#8217;m upset that those comments were made to Gish as well, not only because they&#8217;re completely unacceptable, but because that has now become the issue. It&#8217;s eclipsing the fact that McKim was lied to about how his interview was going to be used, and it&#8217;s eclipsed the fact that the official TU response to a request from readers to cover the Bills a bit more was to kick them in the gut.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting is that the Times Union has yet to publish a single reaction to that piece that was civil and thought out, particularly McKim&#8217;s letter to Gish and the editors over there since he was a subject in the article (and felt particularly wronged). This became glaring when Gish&#8217;s column published the lewd and crass comments yesterday, over a week later, with still no sign of publication for McKim in sight. Any questions posed yesterday on twitter as to why a &#8220;well mannered&#8221; response hasn&#8217;t been published were only met with dismissive, and some rude, comments from people at the TU.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOC online are often nasty; go to Salon or any number of other places.
Interesting that the PRINT TU letters are never allowed to get that nasty as the TU online columns.  Providing what, exactly, I&#039;m not sure, except that online folks feel freer to be a$$holes. Sad. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOC online are often nasty; go to Salon or any number of other places.<br />
Interesting that the PRINT TU letters are never allowed to get that nasty as the TU online columns.  Providing what, exactly, I&#8217;m not sure, except that online folks feel freer to be a$$holes. Sad. </p>
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