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		<title>Not happy with decision wins in boxing and MMA? Go start a fight in a bar.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kevinmarshall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#8217;t watch a single minute of the Super Bowl and, for the most part, stayed off Twitter and Facebook all night. It&#8217;s not because I hate football. Sure, I do take issue with those who call MMA barbaric and dangerous while gathering every Sunday to watch the NFL concussion-fest &#8230; <span class="continue-reading"><a href="http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/mma/2012/02/06/not-happy-with-decision-wins-in-boxing-and-mma-go-start-a-fight-in-a-bar/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t watch a single minute of the Super Bowl and, for the most part, stayed off Twitter and Facebook all night. It&#8217;s not because I hate football. Sure, I do take issue with those who call MMA barbaric and dangerous while gathering every Sunday to watch the NFL concussion-fest that takes a heavy physical toll on its participants, whose <a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/New-NFL-goal-A-longer-life-1272886.php">average life expectancy is anywhere from 53 to 59 years old</a>(!), but I enjoy the occasional game as much as any other red-blooded American male. I may have my issues with the sport, but I don&#8217;t have an aggressive dislike for it.</p>
<p>The reason I didn&#8217;t watch the Super Bowl is because after the KO at the TU and UFC 143 on Saturday night, I had my fill of shitty sports fans for the weekend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.knickledger.com/2012/02/ko-at-the-tu-highlights-local-boxing-talent/">I covered Star Boxing&#8217;s KO at the TU</a> on Saturday nightfor the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Knick Ledger</span> and already <a title="KO at the TU" href="http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/mma/2012/02/05/ko-at-the-tu/">documented the bad behavior by members of the crowd</a> on this space. After the fights in Albany, I was able to catch the main event of UFC 143. What I saw was Carlos Condit executing a technically and intellectually flawless game plan against a very dangerous and heavily favored Nick Diaz to win the Interim UFC Welterweight Championship. He used the cage and Nick Diaz&#8217;s flat-footed striking style to his advantage, negating his reach with exceptional footwork and maneuverability while frequently moving back in to engage and out-strike his opponent in all but one round. After five rounds, Condit was given the Unanimous Decision win. Nick Diaz was not happy. In his post-fight interview with Joe Rogan, he complained that Condit ran away from him the entire fight and said he didn&#8217;t sign up to chase guys that wouldn&#8217;t fight him. He then claimed, right on the spot, that he was quitting the sport over the decision.</p>
<p>His temper tantrum, fueled by frustration and mental illness, shoveled coal into the boisterous fire of abhorrent sports fans online. Like Diaz, they were vocal and angry, providing nothing except insults and vulgar language to back up their ridiculous claim that Condit &#8220;ran away&#8221; from Nick Diaz or somehow didn&#8217;t earn a win.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I agreed with the decision. Rather than recount the reasons why, I&#8217;ll just <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/2/5/2773487/no-robbery-here-carlos-condit-earned-decision-win-over-nick-diaz">send you over to Ben Fowlkes at MMAFighting</a>, who already laid it out plainly yet eloquently. In short, Nick Diaz was out-fought, out-smarted, and as was evidenced by his face after the fight, beat the Hell up by his opponent.</p>
<p>It was a great night to be a combat <strong>sports</strong> fan, and a frustrating one if you weren&#8217;t. I put the emphasis on sport because I don&#8217;t think the latter care much about the sport aspect of it, nor will they ever. You can&#8217;t call yourself a fan of boxing or MMA and still support the reaction seen and heard on Saturday night. That&#8217;s not criticism, it&#8217;s bloodlust.</p>
<p>If you still insist on it, all I can say is that this just isn&#8217;t the sport for you. If you&#8217;re one of those people that was  unhappy with Carlos Condit&#8217;s flawless performance and/or the fantastic 10-round battle between Sahib Usarov and Yan Barthelemy at the Times Union Center, I can only suggest you go find something else that&#8217;s more your speed and fitting to your tastes. Maybe dog fighting or old VHS copies of Faces of Death. Or, better yet, go start a fight in a bar. There&#8217;s no better view of the action, and it&#8217;s sure to be violent and end quickly.</p>
<p>Leave the sport to real sports fans.</p>
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		<title>Flash Bias: why do fans hate good fighters who win decisions?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kevinmarshall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Due to a prior obligation, I unfortunately missed last Saturday&#8217;s UFC Live on Versus during its initial airing. Judging by the results, it was exactly what I expected it to be: a woefully underlooked card that provided some of the more entertaining bouts in recent months. I was disappointed, however, &#8230; <span class="continue-reading"><a href="http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/mma/2011/10/06/flash-bias-why-do-fans-hate-good-fighters-who-win-decisions/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to a prior obligation, I unfortunately missed last Saturday&#8217;s UFC Live on Versus during its initial airing.</p>
<div id="attachment_610" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 295px"><a href="http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/mma/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DC.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-610" title="DC" src="http://www.kevinmarshallonline.com/mma/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/DC.jpg" alt="" width="285" height="238" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Dominick Cruz is a generation ahead of pretty much every other fighter at 135, but he faces a bias against good fighters who win by decision.</p></div>
<p>Judging by the results, it was exactly what I expected it to be: a woefully underlooked card that provided some of the more entertaining bouts in recent months.</p>
<p>I was disappointed, however, in the reaction I read online.</p>
<p>Part of the problem with MMA is that its fanbase has more overlap with professional wrestling than with boxing or any other legitimate sport. That&#8217;s not meant to browbeat professional wrestling fans as a whole, since I was one of them until the uglier aspects of the industry chased me away.</p>
<p>There comes a time, though, when one has to decide if they like sports or entertainment. While the terms aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive, it doesn&#8217;t follow that an athlete is required to entertain you, the fan, first and foremost.</p>
<p>This mindset is the same one that says Georges St-Pierre is a lesser fighter because he wins fights by decision. That bias and vitriol against strategy and technique is now being directed towards Dominick Cruz, who many fans have taken to calling &#8220;The Decisionater&#8221; (playing off his nickname &#8220;The Domin8r&#8221;). It doesn&#8217;t help either when fighters like Quinton Jackson talk about the glory days of Pride Fighting Championships in Japan and yearn for a return to days when fighters were more concerned with putting on a good show than actually winning the fight. If you took that attitude to a boxing fan, you&#8217;d be rightfully chastised.</p>
<p>Which leads me back to the problem at hand: a fanbase mired in a pro wrestling mindset.</p>
<p>This was certainly the case in Japan. While older fight fans wax poetic about the apex of the Japanese MMA scene, they ignore the fixed fights and fighters being offered bonuses if they happened to lose to native fighters via submission or knockout. The best fighters at Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight fought in Pride, but they rarely fought each other on a fair and level playing field. If they did meet, it was in a tournament spanning one or two evenings, which is indicative of toughness but not necessarily skill.</p>
<p>This sport is still evolving, and as a fan you have to either accept that or face the reality that what you&#8217;re looking for might not be here. Nobody with any reasonable level of intelligence or appreciation for the game and the sacrifices fighters make should call for anyone to sacrifice their championship or their career for the sake of a quick moment of elation for the chubby guy sitting at the bar.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t watch someone like Dominick Cruz put on the performances he&#8217;s had while the WEC and UFC Bantamweight Champion and appreciate his talent, then you&#8217;re not a fan of MMA. You&#8217;re a fan of flash knockouts, blood, and freak shows. And for that, you could save yourself a lot of time and money and just surf YouTube.</p>
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<p>Other notes/controversies from the event:</p>
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<li>Lightweight <strong>TJ Grant</strong> was given a submission win in the third round when referee Fernando Yamasaki (Mario Yamasaki&#8217;s younger brother) mistook <strong>Shane Roller</strong>&#8216;s aggressive yell for a verbal submission. In watching the replay, I could see how someone could misinterpret the situation. On the other hand, I worry it sets a bad precedent when you have fighters thinking that any sort of grunt of verbal expression can be taken as a submission.</li>
<li>Later in the evening, Mario Yamasaki was taken to task by some for what they perceived to be an early stoppage after <strong>Anthony Johnson</strong> nearly took <strong>Charlie Brenneman</strong>&#8216;s head off with a head kick following a vicious offensive flurry that had Brenneman effectively out on his feet. In this case, Mario was right to stop the fight and he had no shortage of people defending it. I hate to dismiss so many by saying they&#8217;re ignorant, but the referee&#8217;s job isn&#8217;t to wait until a fighter is knocked unconscious. Mario Yamasaki determined &#8211; rightly &#8211; that Brenneman was in <em>danger</em> of being knocked unconscious. Which he was. Despite his reaction when knocked on his back, Brenneman was being beatne like a pinata and was clearly out on his feet before Johnson&#8217;s head kick. Anything after that would have been unnecessary damage, and like Dana White said in the post-fight presser, it&#8217;s always better to see a fight stopped early than a fight stopped well after it should have been.</li>
<li><strong>Pat Barry</strong>&#8216;s loss to <strong>Stefan Struve</strong> proves what I&#8217;ve been thinking for a while: Barry is a very nice guy who is not very good at the whole MMA thing. He needs to do nothing for the next few months except drill his submission and takedown defense. A fighter would be able to get away with only one or two tools in his box three years ago, but not in 2011 and certainly not in a field where there&#8217;s more parity seemingly by the week.</li>
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